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Review Panel awayday, 6 December 2005

Venue

The Foreign Press Association
11 Carlton House Terrace
London

Attendees

Review Panel
Trevor Phillips (Chair)
Sir Robert Kerslake
Nick Pearce
Carol Lake

Review Team
Paul Britton
Rosie Seymour
Cathy Francis
Stephen Earl
Uma Moorthy
Giovanni Razzu
Sarah Martyn

Apologies

Dame Judith Mayhew Jonas

Aims for the day

  1. Trevor set out the need for the session to enable him to circulate a draft interim report at the beginning of January. By the end of the day the Panel would use the presentations and discussion to establish the key areas for inclusion within the interim report.

Call for evidence

  1. 100 responses (of around 250 received) had been so far analysed. Stephen gave a short presentation on the key messages emerging.
    • People accept that progress has been made, but there is more to do.
    • Race and ethnicity issues were highlighted by a relative majority of respondents, although this was probably not statistically significant.
    • Society's attitudes remain a barrier to progress.
    • Media influence was described as both a positive and negative factor in reducing inequalities.
    • A clear barrier to equality is lack of leadership.
  2. The discussion included some consideration of how social change in the recent past has affected progress on equality; the Team would investigate this issue further.
  3. The Panel requested, in addition to the summary of all responses:
    • a summary of the duties in existence under current legislation
    • a summary of what respondents to the consultation have recommended
    • summaries of the responses from the main equality bodies and the big organisations such as the CBI
    • a summary of the responses from any government departments
    • a summary of any responses that highlight surprising or unexpected issues.

Challenges

  1. Rosie gave a short presentation outlining some of the main challenges identified by the Panel in its previous discussions and set out some suggested next steps. In discussion the Panel agreed that:
    • Tania Burchardt would be commissioned to produce a paper building on the Panel's discussions of ‘what is equality’.
    • One recommendation for the CEHR could be to ensure robustness in monitoring equality, so that data are correct and consistent.
    • Issues of linguistics, such as the language in which the equality was conducted, would need to be addressed before the final report.
    • More information is needed about public attitudes to equality and about the possibility of carrying out further research in this area.

Why do inequalities persist?

  1. Cathy gave a short presentation looking at why inequalities persist, this included consideration around issues of capacity and motivation and how these helped to produce effective public policy and interventions. In discussion the following points were made:
    • Neighbourhood effects are important in this area, it is clear that inequality is more likely to persist in some deprived areas even in spite of targeted intervention.
    • Further work was needed to try and identify a list of persistent inequalities, highlighting interventions which have worked as well as what hasn't worked.
  2. The research commissioned from Richard Berthoud would give a clearer picture of longitudinal employment inequalities for inclusion in the interim report.

Cost of inequalities

  1. Giovanni gave a presentation highlighting two approaches to calculating the costs of inequality, the first the traditional micro approach, one a more novel approach that attempts to calculate the costs of inequality at a macro level. The Panel agreed that:
    • The new approach was novel and worthwhile, and that work should continue on both approaches.
    • It would be helpful to investigate whether international comparisons could be made using the macro approach.
    • The comparative micro-economic calculations should draw on the Berthoud work to identify persistence in inequality.

Emerging conclusions

  1. Rosie gave a short presentation highlighting the emerging conclusions from Panel meetings and discussions so far. In discussion, the Panel made the following points:
    • Drivers and barriers need to be identified and addressed, for example, neighbourhood is important.
    • Legislation is an important lever, but is not sufficient to meet the current inequalities challenge.
    • A robust definition of the minimum ‘platform’ for a decent life is essential.
    • Motivation and leadership should be more focused in public service on tackling inequality.
    • It is not immediately clear how the general business case can be articulated.
    • Some attitudinal data are available, but more information is needed to show the appetite for change and the equality landscape over the next 30 years.

Issues for debate

  1. Rosie gave a short presentation and then Trevor led the discussion. The following points were made.
    • Action to tackle disadvantage for some should not turn out to disadvantage others.
    • Need to try and make a distinction between ‘behaviour’ and ‘culture’, and also consider the role of personal choice, for example the effect of lifestyle on health outcomes, a preference for remaining at home rather than seeking employment.
    • Consider issues where society as a whole can be responsible for disadvantaging behaviour, for example attitudes to older people.
    • Need to consider carefully how to distinguish issues around inequality, human rights and community relations.
    • In developing the interim report it would be important to discuss emerging themes with government departments and ministers.
    • In developing the final report, need to build in capacity to test out ideas and proposals with various groups and bodies.