Review Panel awayday, 6 December 2005
Venue
The Foreign Press Association
11 Carlton House Terrace
London
Attendees
Review Panel
Trevor Phillips (Chair)
Sir Robert Kerslake
Nick Pearce
Carol Lake
Review Team
Paul Britton
Rosie Seymour
Cathy Francis
Stephen Earl
Uma Moorthy
Giovanni Razzu
Sarah Martyn
Apologies
Dame Judith Mayhew Jonas
Aims for the day
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Trevor set out the need for the session to enable him to circulate a
draft interim report at the beginning of January. By the end of the day
the Panel would use the presentations and discussion to establish the key
areas for inclusion within the interim report.
Call for evidence
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100 responses (of around 250 received) had been so far analysed. Stephen
gave a short presentation on the key messages emerging.
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People accept that progress has been made, but there is more to do.
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Race and ethnicity issues were highlighted by a relative majority of
respondents, although this was probably not statistically
significant.
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Society's attitudes remain a barrier to progress.
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Media influence was described as both a positive and negative factor
in reducing inequalities.
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A clear barrier to equality is lack of leadership.
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The discussion included some consideration of how social change in the
recent past has affected progress on equality; the Team would investigate
this issue further.
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The Panel requested, in addition to the summary of all responses:
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a summary of the duties in existence under current legislation
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a summary of what respondents to the consultation have recommended
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summaries of the responses from the main equality bodies and the big
organisations such as the CBI
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a summary of the responses from any government departments
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a summary of any responses that highlight surprising or unexpected
issues.
Challenges
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Rosie gave a short presentation outlining some of the main challenges
identified by the Panel in its previous discussions and set out some
suggested next steps. In discussion the Panel agreed that:
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Tania Burchardt would be commissioned to produce a paper building on
the Panel's discussions of ‘what is equality’.
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One recommendation for the CEHR could be to
ensure robustness in monitoring equality, so that data are correct
and consistent.
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Issues of linguistics, such as the language in which the equality was
conducted, would need to be addressed before the final report.
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More information is needed about public attitudes to equality and
about the possibility of carrying out further research in this area.
Why do inequalities persist?
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Cathy gave a short presentation looking at why inequalities persist, this
included consideration around issues of capacity and motivation and how
these helped to produce effective public policy and interventions. In
discussion the following points were made:
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Neighbourhood effects are important in this area, it is clear that
inequality is more likely to persist in some deprived areas even in
spite of targeted intervention.
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Further work was needed to try and identify a list of persistent
inequalities, highlighting interventions which have worked as well as
what hasn't worked.
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The research commissioned from Richard Berthoud would give a clearer
picture of longitudinal employment inequalities for inclusion in the
interim report.
Cost of inequalities
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Giovanni gave a presentation highlighting two approaches to calculating
the costs of inequality, the first the traditional micro approach, one a
more novel approach that attempts to calculate the costs of inequality at
a macro level. The Panel agreed that:
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The new approach was novel and worthwhile, and that work should
continue on both approaches.
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It would be helpful to investigate whether international comparisons
could be made using the macro approach.
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The comparative micro-economic calculations should draw on the
Berthoud work to identify persistence in inequality.
Emerging conclusions
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Rosie gave a short presentation highlighting the emerging conclusions
from Panel meetings and discussions so far. In discussion, the Panel made
the following points:
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Drivers and barriers need to be identified and addressed, for
example, neighbourhood is important.
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Legislation is an important lever, but is not sufficient to meet the
current inequalities challenge.
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A robust definition of the minimum ‘platform’ for a decent life is
essential.
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Motivation and leadership should be more focused in public service on
tackling inequality.
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It is not immediately clear how the general business case can be
articulated.
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Some attitudinal data are available, but more information is needed
to show the appetite for change and the equality landscape over the
next 30 years.
Issues for debate
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Rosie gave a short presentation and then Trevor led the discussion. The
following points were made.
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Action to tackle disadvantage for some should not turn out to
disadvantage others.
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Need to try and make a distinction between ‘behaviour’ and ‘culture’,
and also consider the role of personal choice, for example the effect
of lifestyle on health outcomes, a preference for remaining at home
rather than seeking employment.
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Consider issues where society as a whole can be responsible for
disadvantaging behaviour, for example attitudes to older people.
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Need to consider carefully how to distinguish issues around
inequality, human rights and community relations.
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In developing the interim report it would be important to discuss
emerging themes with government departments and ministers.
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In developing the final report, need to build in capacity to test out
ideas and proposals with various groups and bodies.